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Do you think it would be valuable to have more political parties with a real chance at the presidential level? If you do, what would you change to make it happen?

In my opinion, third parties could make the biggest difference at the local level, but most of them don't really seem interested in local politics. I also think it would be a good thing for third parties to be taken more seriously at the national level.

One way to get voters to think more seriously about third parties would be to have their candidates participate in the debates with the Democratic and Republican candidates. Unfortunately, the way the rules are currently written a candidate has to be polling above 15% for a certain period before the debate. This pretty much means that no third party candidate is ever going to participate.

I think one change to the debate rules would help solve both of these problems. Instead of a polling threshold, use an officeholder threshold. The one I thought of is allow any political party that has constantly had a member in office at the state (state legislative bodies, Governor or other state-wide office, judge [if they're elected and declare a party affiliation]) or national level (House or Senate) for the last 5 years to participate in the presidential debates. I might even count mayor of one of the 10 biggest cities in the country. If that leads to an unwieldy number of people on stage, than either increase the number of officeholders or the amount of time required.

This would help with what I feel is the biggest problem, by giving the third parties a strong motivation for getting people elected to lower levels of office. It would also help with the secondary problem by making it more likely that a third party politician who doesn't have high name recognition would be visible in the presidential campaign.

(Edited to remove some the "I thinks." There were way too many...)

Date: 2012-10-05 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belmikey.livejournal.com
Third parties will remain marginalized as long as we stick with first-past-the-post for our elections. We need a ranked balloting system that allows voters to say, "Well...I REALLY like this guy, but in a pinch, I could stand this OTHER guy..."

Date: 2012-10-05 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennythe-reader.livejournal.com
I think that would be a good change to implement along with my idea. Mine gives the third parties more publicity, yours fights the "it's just throwing your vote away" attitude that would keep people from voting for the other candidates they learned about.

Date: 2012-10-05 05:55 pm (UTC)
seawasp: (Poisonous&Venomous)
From: [personal profile] seawasp
I think NO parties is preferable. Individuals run on their individual merits. Individuals, and individuals ONLY, are allowed to donate to political candidates. Individual donations are limited to $20.00 per candidate.

Date: 2012-10-05 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennythe-reader.livejournal.com
The problem with banning parties completely is that politicians are still going to need to make alliances in order to get things done. Over time, those alliances will evolve into parties. It's how we ended up with political parties in the first place.

I like your second idea, although I think I'd set the cap a little higher than $20.

Date: 2012-10-05 07:04 pm (UTC)
seawasp: (Default)
From: [personal profile] seawasp
I'd set the cap LOWER if I felt it would be practical. But $20 is enough so that a large number of supporters will get you something to work with, and low enough that all but the actually broke will be able to scrape it together somehow if the candidate's important to them.

I recognize alliances exist, but I think allowing them to become official dividing lines and have parties that dominate the political scene is the mistake. I don't care if you have your alliances, but they shouldn't be ORGANIZED alliances. They should be based on individual issues.

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